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How much did SMU have to pony up for Hartzell to leave UT? lol
How much did SMU have to pony up for Hartzell to leave UT? lol
Hartzell leaving UT for SMU
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Getting the hell out of the liberal sinkhole...job at SMU will be so much better than UT.
Being stuck in the middle of liberal students/faculty and conservative donors/lawmakers probably gets old real fast
That's the top job at SMU rather than under a chancellor at TEX, innit.
He saw SMU in the playoff and said “I miss the good old days at Texas….”
This.
Dr. Turner will have been at SMU for 30 years by the time he retires next May. The entire campus has his stamp on it.
Hartzel is trading a Chancellor and 10 System Board of Regents who have expiring terms for being the top dog but 47 Board of Trustees who don't have expiring terms.
He's trading public Regent meetings for very, very private Trustee meetings.
He's also trading being held accountable by the Legislature, the THECB, the Board of Regents, and big donors to only being held accountable to the Board of Trustees and big donors (many of whom are one in the same).
Yes to the former, but absolutely incorrect on the latter. The booster headaches at SMU may actually be worse because the big money folks are all on the Board of Trustees, and trust me, the Division of Development and External Affairs runs the show.
UT is an impossible political situation with the Far Right government in Austin trying to control the left wing students and professors at UT. As President you caught in between opposite ideologies in no win situation. SMU students have not protested against Israel yet. Much easier situation there. Also the Eyes of Texas crap.
While that might be the case, he didn't leave the frying pan to jump into a newly greased frying pan. Monet aside, he was giving some sort of conditions that were better than UT.
Big coup for SMU. He did great stuff at mccombs. Pony up.
Going to have to help lead the battle to disband from the Methodist Church which is going or just went in front of the Texas Supreme Court. Methodist have chosen to change thoughts and ideas to be more woke and SMU would like to break off from the church.
If they get rid of the Methodist Church, I'm curious what the name would be:
-Dallas University
-Southern Midsouth University
If they get rid of the Methodist Church, I'm curious what the name would be:
-Dallas University
-Southern Midsouth University
The salary is estimated to be double.
Also look at my previous post above. He doesn't have to answer to a Chancellor or to the legislature/THECB at SMU.
Worked for him while he was at McCombs, I agree.
Their previous president left to go to Emory. The Texas job appears to really burn you out on large public institution work.
Its the United Methodist Church that they would be parting from (and are in lawsuits with right now, as to who actually owns the campus). You can still be a Methodist church/institution without being a part of the United Methodist Church
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Guess we found the school that has more money than Texas.
The United Methodist Church has adopted pro-LGBTQ+ policies for now pastors as well as parishioners. This vote to adopt it was previously blocked by the African delegates who have kept to original doctrinal positions and were able to keep the UMC from adopting these practices back in 2019 or whenever. Then last year or the year before they had another convention, and rumor is they limited how many could come from Africa or something along those lines, and they were able to get their pro-LGBTQ+ policies passed without the large number of African representatives being present to vote it down. But as part of this vote, they also passed a provision to allow churches to break away from the UMC if 2/3 of their congregation vote to do so (I think it's 2/3...I don't think it was as high as 3/4), and they could keep the church building and property. This has created a new Methodist Church group called the "Global Methodist Church". But the United Methodist Church got to keep all the seminaries, from what I understand.
Now the split between SMU and the UMC really isn't about the LGBTQ issues now, though that might have played a small part years ago when this started. It's really more about SMU wanting to disassociate itself from the idea that it "belongs" to the UMC, or that is is part and parcel with the UMC.
There's nothing all that "Methodist" about SMU these days. Only the name. Concordia Texas is doing the same thing by trying to break away from the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, though that case is slightly different because there were much stronger contractural ties between Concordia and the LCMS than what you have between SMU and UMC. But Concordia is trying to use as precedent for their situation the recent court rulings that have ruled in favor of SMU over UMC, but it's not the same situation.
All that to say...none of this has any bearing whatsoever on the presidential search at SMU.
Now the split between SMU and the UMC really isn't about the LGBTQ issues now, though that might have played a small part years ago when this started. It's really more about SMU wanting to disassociate itself from the idea that it "belongs" to the UMC, or that is is part and parcel with the UMC.
There's nothing all that "Methodist" about SMU these days. Only the name. Concordia Texas is doing the same thing by trying to break away from the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, though that case is slightly different because there were much stronger contractural ties between Concordia and the LCMS than what you have between SMU and UMC. But Concordia is trying to use as precedent for their situation the recent court rulings that have ruled in favor of SMU over UMC, but it's not the same situation.
All that to say...none of this has any bearing whatsoever on the presidential search at SMU.
SMU president is a great job. I hate SMU.
The anti - LGBTQ ideology change in 2019 was the catalyst to set off the chain of events, but its really just a power struggle over who actually owns the campus and has power to govern the University. The timing of a new university president is interesting, though, given that the case goes to the Texas Supreme Court next week.
Dispute between SMU and UMC body headed to Texas Supreme Court – Baptist News Global
In layman's terms, the fight is over who owns the nonprofit private university and has the authority to set its rules.
baptistnews.com
The anti - LGBTQ ideology change in 2019 was the catalyst to set off the chain of events, but its really just a power struggle over who actually owns the campus and has power to govern the University. The timing of a new university president is interesting, though, given that the case goes to the Texas Supreme Court next week.
Dispute between SMU and UMC body headed to Texas Supreme Court – Baptist News Global
In layman's terms, the fight is over who owns the nonprofit private university and has the authority to set its rules.
That case has nothing to do with the timing of Dr. Turner retiring. He will have been at SMU 30 years in May and overseen two (maybe three) major capital campaigns and countless construction projects.
30 years is unheard of these days for a college president. He's nearly 80 years old if not already that age. It's pretty straight-forward the timing of his retirement.
The case with UMC isn't even in the conversation on the SMU campus. Outside of a couple of people in the admin building, most people aren't even aware it's happening.
Did I state that Dr Turner retiring was because of the case? I said it is interesting that there is a new President at the university 2 weeks before the 5-year old case goes to the Texas Supreme Court. Its great that the case isn't in conversation on campus, I suppose, but it is concerning who owns and is in control of SMU, so I would think they would have an interest in the outcome.
Received my Master’s Degree from SMU and absolutely love the place. Received my Bachelor’s Degree from Texas Tech and absolutely love the place even more!
I would just like to come to this safe place and tell all my virtual friends that I don't like SMU. Also, CJK5H
Booster headaches will exist anywhere. I think he’ll face far less political pressure at SMU though - for instance, students protesting in front of his house/office.
I have a great idea. Call it "SMU". And SMU doesn't officially stand for anything. Boom
guessing 2.5 to 3 mil ( vs 1.5 )and no crazies to deal with......probably a sweet heart job.
my son is a Dean at UT and close with Pres Hartzell .... hates to lose him... life has many twists and turns.
When my daughter was being recruited by tcu, they went way out their way to stress the “C” in their name did not stand for “Christian” but “construction” since they are building so much on campus and are titans of industry. Lol she didn’t even finish the tour. Told us “let’s bounce” and said “wreck em!” True story.
What an absolutely putrid sales pitch when a good chunk of those interested in TCU are Christian and would see Christian as a positive.
Back in 1960 there was a strong move to rename it Southern Meredith Universith.
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