I usually chalk up 99% of this kind of stuff to typical message board delusion, but this one is too good not to share. Frogs are on the cusp of passing the Aggies as the most delusional group of college football fans. I bolded the best parts of the following rant.
Buckeye Soldier, you said that "it takes more than a decade of success to get the kind of respect the Buckeyes, tide and long horns have earned, especially when most of that success was derived from beating up on weak teams in weak conferences. OSU gets the benefit of the doubt because their success spans more than a decade."
Soldier, you have just displayed a shockingly profound ignorance of ANY awareness of the true history or traditions of college football. You still have a LOT to learn my friend. Before you continue to pronounce TCU some sort of wanna be late comer that does not deserve any respect, here is a brief but important history lesson from a TCU educated history and religion teacher.
TCUs football tradition did not start, as you seem to think, when they started playing Boise State in 2000. It started about 110 years before that when they started playing Baylor in the first Revivalry game starting in the early 1890s. They have played 110 times since, and Baylor leads by a single three point win last year. TCU was winning National Championships in the 1930's, has a prestigious national award for excellence named after one of their Heisman folks (ever heard of Davey OBrien?) and has had legends playing for them from the beginning. You know, nobodies like Davey OBrien, Slinging Sammy Baugh, Bob Lily, LaDainian Tomlinson, Kenneth Davis, Jim Swink, Ki Aldrich, Morgan Williams, Johnny Vaught, Michael Reeder, Lindy Berry, Larry Brown, Stanley Washington. Cedric James and Mike Renfro, the great wide receiver. There is also Daryl Washington, Jeremy Kerley, Tank Carder, Marshall Newhouse, Drew Coleman, Aaron Brown, David Hawthorne, Jason Phillips, Colin Jones, Marcus Cannon, Jerry Hughes, Andy Dalton, Kelly Blackwell, Cory Rodgers, Jason Varrett, Bart Johnson, Jimmy Young and many others that played in the last few years and are now in the NFL you know, YOUR version of history and tradition.
TCUs coaches are legendary as well. First, Francis Schmidt, who coached at TCU before he moved to no kidding - Ohio State to rebuild that program. Sid Gilman, considered the father of the modern passing game, called Coach Schmidt his greatest influence, and the I formation is said to be Schmidt's creation. (1). Using the forward pass when most others did not, Schmidt won conference championships at TCU, but was 4-4 at Ohio State his last year. See, Ohio State had their years in the wilderness of losing seasons just like the Frogs did!
Then there is the coach that, along with Gary Patterson, is synonymous with TCU Football, Dutch Meyer. His famous quote is still inscribed in the TCU locker room to this day: Fight em until hell freezes over, then fight em on the ice. Todays spread offense was created by a Fort Worth high school coach named Rusty Russell, who coached the team at the Fort Worth Masonic Home. Dutch Meyer introduced it into the college game, and TCU was the first college team to use what is currently all the rage in college football, the spread offense. TCU coming BACK to it last year was simply TCU going back to the roots it invented.
Coach Meyer wrote a book entitled Spread Formation Football, detailing his ideas about football formations, which introduced the spread offense to the rest of college football. (2)
TCU invented the college spread offense. But they dont have any tradition or history, right? Sammy Baugh said of Meyer that All the coaches I had in the pros, I didn't learn a damn thing from any of `em compared with what Dutch Meyer taught me. (3)
Finally there is Gary Patterson, who has won more games at TCU than any other coach and has won the AP National Coach of the Year Award twice a feat only matched by Nick Saban. He has also won the Football Coaches Association National Coach of the Year Award Twice. He is possibly the best defensive coach in the history of college football, as TCUs defense under his tenure has never been ranked lower than 18th in the nation.
Texas Christian University football has every bit as rich a football history and tradition, if not more so, as Ohio State or anyone else. Yes, TCU had a long dry spell from the 60's to the late 80's but TCU has also been "competing and succeeding at the highest level for the last century". Yes, TCU had 25 years in the wilderness, but before and after those 25 years the Frogs were every bit as famous and "elite" as any team in the nation. The renaissance of TCU in many ways makes their tradition even more impressive than one of todays brand name schools like Tosu who have never faced, and overcome, the challenges that TCU has to become the cream of the elite again.
Part of the problem is that you "powerhouse" and "brand name" team fans seem to think that tradition does not extend past five years ago or so. TCU, and for that matter Baylor, were battling each other in the Revivalry before many of today's "name brand" teams had even organized a team. TCU has had far more than one "decade of success to get the kind of respect the Buckeyes, tide and long horns have earned. TCU won national championships and was an elite team for most of the 20th century, with the obvious exception of our desert years of the early 60's to the mid 80's.
TCU has even loomed large in the history of UT and other big schools. Hook em Horns? That came from the TCU-Texas game in 1955 (which is mentioned in the car radio sports report in Back To The Future II) when a UT cheerleader, desperate to inspire the Horns after several straight humiliations by TCU, called on them to get those Frogs and Hook em on your horns! (TCU won convincingly). (4) Gig em from Texas A&M? At the 1930 pep rally before the TCU game A&M Regent Pinky Downs shouted, "What are we going to do to those Horned Frogs?" His muse did not fail him as he improvised, borrowing a term from frog hunting. "Gig 'em, Aggies!" The second oldest cheer phrase (after TCUs Riff Ram Bah Zoo) and oldest hand sign came into being out of fear of losing to TCU yet again.(5) TCU won that one too, 3-0. (6)
College football has existed, and TCU been a major player in it, for a part of three centuries from the 1890s to today. So has OSU. Why is it that TCU coaches, players and fans have always given the OSUs, Alabamas and UTs of the world their due, only to have the historically ignorant arrogance of the fans of those schools especially Tosu fans insult TCU as some little sister of the poor? If those fans learned about the ENTIRE history of college football, they would then come back and apologize for trying to tell TCU and their fans (who are usually graduates and not just people who found a TCU t-shirt in Wal Mart like many big school brand name school fans are) how little history TCU has.
TCU helped write the book and set the stage of the modern college game. The totality of the history and tradition of college football show that TCU is every bit as important as you think OSU is, and OSU isn't quite as important as you think IT is. You are right though - reality can be cold a witch sometimes Soldier, especially when you, your institution and your entire fan base have no idea what they are talking about in terms of history and tradition. Please study some more history and try to warm up from that cold witch of reality you just discovered about how TCU helped invent and lead the game from the start.
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Buckeye Soldier, you said that "it takes more than a decade of success to get the kind of respect the Buckeyes, tide and long horns have earned, especially when most of that success was derived from beating up on weak teams in weak conferences. OSU gets the benefit of the doubt because their success spans more than a decade."
Soldier, you have just displayed a shockingly profound ignorance of ANY awareness of the true history or traditions of college football. You still have a LOT to learn my friend. Before you continue to pronounce TCU some sort of wanna be late comer that does not deserve any respect, here is a brief but important history lesson from a TCU educated history and religion teacher.
TCUs football tradition did not start, as you seem to think, when they started playing Boise State in 2000. It started about 110 years before that when they started playing Baylor in the first Revivalry game starting in the early 1890s. They have played 110 times since, and Baylor leads by a single three point win last year. TCU was winning National Championships in the 1930's, has a prestigious national award for excellence named after one of their Heisman folks (ever heard of Davey OBrien?) and has had legends playing for them from the beginning. You know, nobodies like Davey OBrien, Slinging Sammy Baugh, Bob Lily, LaDainian Tomlinson, Kenneth Davis, Jim Swink, Ki Aldrich, Morgan Williams, Johnny Vaught, Michael Reeder, Lindy Berry, Larry Brown, Stanley Washington. Cedric James and Mike Renfro, the great wide receiver. There is also Daryl Washington, Jeremy Kerley, Tank Carder, Marshall Newhouse, Drew Coleman, Aaron Brown, David Hawthorne, Jason Phillips, Colin Jones, Marcus Cannon, Jerry Hughes, Andy Dalton, Kelly Blackwell, Cory Rodgers, Jason Varrett, Bart Johnson, Jimmy Young and many others that played in the last few years and are now in the NFL you know, YOUR version of history and tradition.
TCUs coaches are legendary as well. First, Francis Schmidt, who coached at TCU before he moved to no kidding - Ohio State to rebuild that program. Sid Gilman, considered the father of the modern passing game, called Coach Schmidt his greatest influence, and the I formation is said to be Schmidt's creation. (1). Using the forward pass when most others did not, Schmidt won conference championships at TCU, but was 4-4 at Ohio State his last year. See, Ohio State had their years in the wilderness of losing seasons just like the Frogs did!
Then there is the coach that, along with Gary Patterson, is synonymous with TCU Football, Dutch Meyer. His famous quote is still inscribed in the TCU locker room to this day: Fight em until hell freezes over, then fight em on the ice. Todays spread offense was created by a Fort Worth high school coach named Rusty Russell, who coached the team at the Fort Worth Masonic Home. Dutch Meyer introduced it into the college game, and TCU was the first college team to use what is currently all the rage in college football, the spread offense. TCU coming BACK to it last year was simply TCU going back to the roots it invented.
Coach Meyer wrote a book entitled Spread Formation Football, detailing his ideas about football formations, which introduced the spread offense to the rest of college football. (2)
TCU invented the college spread offense. But they dont have any tradition or history, right? Sammy Baugh said of Meyer that All the coaches I had in the pros, I didn't learn a damn thing from any of `em compared with what Dutch Meyer taught me. (3)
Finally there is Gary Patterson, who has won more games at TCU than any other coach and has won the AP National Coach of the Year Award twice a feat only matched by Nick Saban. He has also won the Football Coaches Association National Coach of the Year Award Twice. He is possibly the best defensive coach in the history of college football, as TCUs defense under his tenure has never been ranked lower than 18th in the nation.
Texas Christian University football has every bit as rich a football history and tradition, if not more so, as Ohio State or anyone else. Yes, TCU had a long dry spell from the 60's to the late 80's but TCU has also been "competing and succeeding at the highest level for the last century". Yes, TCU had 25 years in the wilderness, but before and after those 25 years the Frogs were every bit as famous and "elite" as any team in the nation. The renaissance of TCU in many ways makes their tradition even more impressive than one of todays brand name schools like Tosu who have never faced, and overcome, the challenges that TCU has to become the cream of the elite again.
Part of the problem is that you "powerhouse" and "brand name" team fans seem to think that tradition does not extend past five years ago or so. TCU, and for that matter Baylor, were battling each other in the Revivalry before many of today's "name brand" teams had even organized a team. TCU has had far more than one "decade of success to get the kind of respect the Buckeyes, tide and long horns have earned. TCU won national championships and was an elite team for most of the 20th century, with the obvious exception of our desert years of the early 60's to the mid 80's.
TCU has even loomed large in the history of UT and other big schools. Hook em Horns? That came from the TCU-Texas game in 1955 (which is mentioned in the car radio sports report in Back To The Future II) when a UT cheerleader, desperate to inspire the Horns after several straight humiliations by TCU, called on them to get those Frogs and Hook em on your horns! (TCU won convincingly). (4) Gig em from Texas A&M? At the 1930 pep rally before the TCU game A&M Regent Pinky Downs shouted, "What are we going to do to those Horned Frogs?" His muse did not fail him as he improvised, borrowing a term from frog hunting. "Gig 'em, Aggies!" The second oldest cheer phrase (after TCUs Riff Ram Bah Zoo) and oldest hand sign came into being out of fear of losing to TCU yet again.(5) TCU won that one too, 3-0. (6)
College football has existed, and TCU been a major player in it, for a part of three centuries from the 1890s to today. So has OSU. Why is it that TCU coaches, players and fans have always given the OSUs, Alabamas and UTs of the world their due, only to have the historically ignorant arrogance of the fans of those schools especially Tosu fans insult TCU as some little sister of the poor? If those fans learned about the ENTIRE history of college football, they would then come back and apologize for trying to tell TCU and their fans (who are usually graduates and not just people who found a TCU t-shirt in Wal Mart like many big school brand name school fans are) how little history TCU has.
TCU helped write the book and set the stage of the modern college game. The totality of the history and tradition of college football show that TCU is every bit as important as you think OSU is, and OSU isn't quite as important as you think IT is. You are right though - reality can be cold a witch sometimes Soldier, especially when you, your institution and your entire fan base have no idea what they are talking about in terms of history and tradition. Please study some more history and try to warm up from that cold witch of reality you just discovered about how TCU helped invent and lead the game from the start.
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